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if we don't deal with the deficit right away. the fiscal cliff is a very different story. that's about reducing the deficit too fast. >> ifill: you call it an austerity bomb. describe what you mean by that. >> what's happening is that we are scheduled, unless something is done basically to do to ourselves gratuitously what has been happening to some of the european economies. we're going to have substantial spending cuts, substantial tax increases at a time when the dme is still very weak. of course that's a recipe for sliding back into recession. we set ourselves up with the land mine and the road in front of our economy which is not based on anything real, it's just based on our politicalness. >> ifill: speaking of political mess, both sides have what they say are opening gambits on the table. president obama at least his last week which calls for $1.6 trillion in revenues. the republicans came back with their own yesterday. as you looked at each approach, what do you see in that? >> well, i think it's important. i think the reporting has been a little weak on the republican plan. it
. that is it for us. have a great weekend, everyone. >> john: another weekend no, deal on the fiscal cliff. how close one is depends on whom you believe. this is "special report." ♪ ♪ >> john: good evening. i'm john roberts in for bret baier this evening. deadlock, gridlock, stalemate, whatever you call it. most people in washington seem to think we are there. we have just four more weekends to go before america goes over the most talked about piece ovate i of real estn the world, the fiscal cliff. ed henry tells us not everyone is pessimistic. >> reporter: literally snapping his fingers, vice president joe biden today suggested it will be easy to finish a deal with congress to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> it would take 15 minutes from the time the decision is made by the speaker of the house to pass and make permanent middle class tax cut. the president would probably have me sprint up to the hill to bring the bill down for him to sign. it can be done like that. it is not complicated. >> greg: speaker bane -- >> reporter: speaker john boehner not so optimistic. >> this is not a progress report, th
whatever deal they reach they have to get the votes for, and that's just the beginning. this fiscal cliff deal if they reach one it's just the beginning of deal making because it's not going to solve the problem. there is going to be more talks going into 2013 on tax reform and dealing with the deficit further. >> reporter: bob cusack thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. jon: let's talk a little bit more about the pickle that house speaker john boehner is in. he's struggling to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. he's facing growing criticism from members of his own party, the speaker removing four conservative congressman from key committees, the move seen by some as a way to close ranks over a potential fiscal cliff deal with the white house. outside conservative groups are voicing their displeasure saying speaker john boehner could even lose his speakership. carl cameron joins us live in washington. so he has a lot of problems with conservatives right now, car. >> reporter: sure it's not just off the hill. some of the members on the hill. fiscal conservative
't have a fiscal cliff deal to vote on this weekend. >> while both sides are talking about the need to compromise, it doesn't sound like either side is ready to make any serious concessions. 9news reporter delia goncalves is live on capitol hill with more. good morning, delia. >> reporter: good morning. many americans and some senators simply cannot believe with so much at stake here for the country that the house would essentially take a long weekend off at home. but many republicans believe they can do much more at home than here in washington. both sides remain at odds on how to solve the crisis. the two sticks points? obama's proposal to tax the wealth 2% and the debt ceiling, the $16.4 trillion debt ceiling is expected to hit its limit mid-february. democrats want to remove the limit therefore removing the threat of default. they say that would allow the government to pay off medicare benefits, military salaries and tax refunds. >> this is a solvable problem. the senate has already pass add bill that would make sure the middle class taxes do not go up next year by a single dime
. >> the uncertainty? >> yeah. >> blake, if there is a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff, could these jobs numbers get considerable better? >> i think so, but it's funny. the republicans are in a bit of a box here. their motivation is to say it's not so good. a lot of jobless people out there. we have a real problem. meanwhi meanwhile, we have fiscal cliff negotiations where the president wants stimulus mechanisms including an extension of unemployment insurance. they're like a doctor who diagnosed you with a severe ill sxns won't sign the precipitation to give you the medicine. they emphasize the joblessness problem, and they don't want to give you unemployment insurance and tell that to someone laid off sleeping in their car. >> with these jobs numbers, had hurricane sandy not struck how better would this report have been? >> a lot of this was construction job weakness. clearly, that will rebound. one of the unfortunate upsides of natural disaster is that you do, whether the states or federal governments do it or insurance companies, you have a lot of infrastructure spending as people re
to help some of the nation's top business executives sell their deal on the fiscal cliff and this week the white house had a major victory on that front. the business roundtable, the group that represents some of the top business ceos changed its position and came out in support of raising the tax rate on the top 2% as part of a larger fiscal cliff deal. in a conference call today, their chairman at the business roundtable said, some executives are unhappy that we want to even mention revenues or taxes but he said everybody's got to feel a little bit like they are getting nailed and then we will know if we've got a deal. white house officials met with this group and also helped them get to this place. they said, bottom line, they knew that they thought their prospects deal was grim and this was a step they had to take to help both sides come to a deal. >> maybe it will help because a lot of these guys are very, very influential. speaking of the fiscal cliff, jessica, what did the fed chairman ben bernanke say about these current negotiations? >> well, bernanke is the man credited with
cliff deal in washington. the dow jones industrial average gained more than 82 points to close at 13,034. but the nasdaq fell nearly 23 points to close at 2,973. the day's big loser was apple, down more than 6% over concerns that smart phone sales are lagging. former texas congressman jack brooks has died. he served 42 years in the house, and was in the dallas motorcade on november 22nd, 1963 when president kennedy was assassinated. hours later, brooks was on hand as vice president and fellow texan lyndon johnson was sworn in to the presidency. later, brooks helped author the 1964 civil rights act, and he drafted the articles of impeachment against president nixon. jack brooks was 89 years old. those are some of the day's major stories. now, back to gwen. >> ifill: lawmakers stepped up the rhetoric, but grew no closer today to agreement on how to avoid slipping over the so- called fiscal cliff. but each side demanded the other compromise. "newshour" congressional correspondent kwame holman begins our coverage. >> i have to just tell you that is a... that is a bad strategy for america
a deal done more than me. so he's trying to essentially give some encouragement to get the fiscal cliff deal talks ignited and going. and so this comes on -- the speech is coming on a breaking news day jenna of what you and i were talking about and that is basically citigroup laying off 11,000 workers as the president is now speaking to the business roundtable. those layoffs at the nation's third biggest bank have begun. jenna: let's talk a little bit more about that, liz, that news came into our newsroom a couple of hours ago. you've been working this. learning more about also what is to come for the big bank. why is the bank making such massive job layoffs now and what is really to come in the next year or so? >> reporter: yeah, what we're talking about here is essentially this is citigroup, this i is the bank that got $476 billion in bailout help. it got the most bailout help of any bank. what happened was citigroup was -- its ceo had stepped down a couple months ago, now they have a new ceo by the name of michael corbett, an is working very aggressively to cut out the excess, the mi
the fiscal cliff deal has come to? why 81-year-old former senator alan simpson is going gangnam style to get everyone's attention on debt. >> it has officially jumped the shark. >>> alan st. pierre is the executive director for the national,or for the reform of marijuana laws. oregon senator jeff merkley, heidi ewing, and rachel grady will be joining us. steve satich, ohio congressman, steve latourette, and ambassador nick burns are our guests this morning. it's thursday, december 6th, and "starting point" begins right now. >>> welcome, everybody. our starting point this morning, some major developments to tell you about in egypt, after angry protests against political moves by the president, mohamed morsi, have turned deadly. tanks, armored personnel vehicles, all stationed outside the presidential analysis cairo. not only are they guarding the palace, they're also keeping apart supporters and opponents of morsi. hundreds of his islamist supporters already taking to the streets in cairo this morning. opponents are gathering not very far away. last night the two sides clashed right outside t
. >>> meanwhile, back in washington, with just over three weeks left to make a deal on the fiscal cliff, both sides out with new statents today. and on the surface, they still sound far apart. president obama this morning saying he's going to insist on raising taxes on the wealthiest americans no matter what. >> if we're serious about reducing our deficit while still investing in things like education and research that are important to growing our economy, and if we're serious about protecting middle-class families, then we're also going to have to ask the wealthiest americans to pay higher tax rates. that's one principle i won't compromise on. >> meanwhile, on the other side of the aisle, republican senator marco rubio gave the weekly republican address today. part of his message? the tax rate should not go up on anyone including the top 2%. >> we must reform our complicated, uncertain, job-killing tax code by getting rid of unjustified loopholes. but our goal should be to generate new revenue by creating new taxpayers, not new taxes. >> joining me, author of "the escape artists: how obama's
rock in new york city. >>> the effort to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff is now a two-man operation. president obama and speaker boehner. thank you. nobody else will be in the room. with 24 days before a year-end deadline, "the new york times" says boehner made the request to clear the negotiation room going forward, leaving it up to himself and the president to reach a deal to avoid automatic tax hikes and deep spending cuts. and while the two men may be negotiating privately, yesterday the president took his mess dwrooj the public, visiting a local virginia family as a part of his social media campaign. while sitting around the kitchen table, he told the family he felt optimistic. >> the message that i think we all want to send to members of congress is this is a solvable problem. the senate has already passed a bill that would make sure the middle class taxes do not go up next year by a single dime. just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%, but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done
cliff with senator senators schumer from new york and senator corker. any deal to avoid the fiscal cliff is up to president obama and house of representatives spear boehner but never is very optimistic. the latest on the negotiations which will affect us all is next. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. so i never missed a beat. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. >>shepard: we have signs of improvement in the job markets with millions still out of the work. the national unemployment rate fell from 7.9 percent to 7.7 percent last month. that is the lowest rate in four years. it comes despite the loss linked to super storm sandy. but the government reports the unemployment rate fell largely because so many americans gave up their search. at the same time, the u.s. economy added 146,000 jobs in november above what the analysts predicted. well above. and gerri, where do we see the biggest gain? >>gerri: in retail. no surprise for holiday season. we expect add big impact
over the fiscal cliff and have a deal. host: this is a very important change. a lot of people say, 1995 and 1996, the speaker and president clinton were able to cut a deal addicted to their caucuses what will happen. this is a different deal. he could say, if you do not like the steel, it is not clear to me if john boehner wanted the cops as they would take him up on the offer. guest: the parties are much more partisan and split. the ideological differences between them are much greater. the speaker is a little weaker than gingrich was before. the world has changed completely since 1995. guest: i would point out all the focus is on the house. how are you going to get it through the senate? mitch mcconnell is in a tough position. harry reid, he has some people who loves his job. he would like to be along with the progressives. i look at this and i worry because in the camp that believes going over the cliff -- the united states will enter a new recession. i do not see the basic associations on the house and senate side that would write the legislation and pass it. host: so far the market
of conversations about the fiscal cliff. tonight we hear from economist paul krugman. >> i don't think there's going to be much of a deal. i think there's going to be a kind of... there will be an outcome. >> woodruff: from haiti, fred de sam lazaro reports on the efforts to stem a deadly cholera epidemic that began after the 2010 earthquake. >> ifill: and ray suarez talks to author and journalist tom ricks about what he describes as the decline of american military leadership. >> today nobody gets credit for anything and mediocrity is accepted as a core value in the performance of generals. >> ifill: that's all ahead on tonight's newshour. major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: moving our economy for 160 years. bnsf, the engine that connects us. >> and by the bill and melinda gates foundation. dedicated to the idea that all people deserve the chance to live a healthy, productive life. and with the ongoing support of these institutions and foundations. and... this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station
morning. thank you so much. in this country president obama says cutting a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff could to be done in a week but the president said that won't happen unless republicans drop their opposition to hire taxes for the wealthy. president obama visited a virginia family to move his cause. he maintained his hard line on tax increase. >> just to be clear i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rates from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done. >> congress and the president have until the end the year to avert automatic spending cuts and tax increase. take a quick break. when we come back on the morning news a preview of this morning's jobs report. what role did sandy play in last month's hiring. this is the morning news. port. what role did sandy play in hiring? ♪ [ male announcer ] with free package pickup from the u.s. postal service the holidays are easy. visit usps.com. pay, print, and have it picked up for free before december 20h for delivery in time for the holidays. you can even give us s
and house speaker boehner are talking, but there is still no word of progress on the so-called fiscal cliff or the president's ultimatum. silence indicate a deal in the works or something too ugly for them to contemplate?@ we'll have the latest for you from the white house. white house correspondent ed henry here in just moments, but, first, the money line in hoping washington might get a deal done driving a modestly bullish mood on wall street at the end of the session. investors cheering news in a decline in jobless claims, and household wealth in the country grew by $1.7 trillion, to the highest level in five years, talk about a positive indicator for consumer purchasing. the dow jones industrial up 40 points, the s&p up five, and nasdaq rose 15.5 points. volume? a billion shares lighter than yesterday, but above the average of 3.1 billion trading on the board today. apple rebounded from yesterday's worst date performance in four years, a gain of $8.45 today with the ceo saying apple will move imac computer production to the country in the new year. garmin stock higher to replace rr donl
sure they disappear the way they should and if necessary go over the fiscal cliff. no deal's better than a bad deal. great to see you today. join the conversation any time at 1-866-55-press. follow us on twitter at bpshow. peter ogborn and dan henning team press in place here this morning. good morning guys. peter's always keeping track of the social media and your comment on twitter. phil backert has the phones and cyprian bowlding has the camera. our videographer keeping us looking good here on current tv. well, we know that breaking news this morning actually came across the wires that kate middleton is filing better. she's over that acute morning sickness. she's left the hospital. and at the same time, a little breaking news, we learned that yesterday a couple of talk show hosts, radio talk show hosts from australia with the worst british accents i have ever heard did a prank call to the hospital where kate was kept for a couple of days. pretending to be the queen and prince charles checking in on kate's
in portland. thank you. jenna: as the clock winds down on the looming fiscal cliff one key stumbling block is trying to reach a deal when it comes to spending. when we look at spending we look at things like food stamps. we'll look at the price tag for this safety net program and how it plays into the national debate on debt. >>> plus, some bombshell developments in michigan as governor rick snyder okays new right to work laws. what it means for organized labor. the future of unions in this country as well as our economy next. it's my favorite time of year again and now -- i got a great new way to get deals. it's called bankamerideals, from bank of america. i choose the cash back deals in my mobile or online banking. i just use my bank of america debit or credit card when i pay. and i get as much as 15% cash back -- put into my account. this is cash back on top of other rewards i already get. best of all -- it's free. happy holidays. [ male announcer ] introducing bankamerideals, free for online banking customers. sign in to your online banking to choose your deals today. jenna: new inform
say, mano a mano. whatever. the effort to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff is now a two-man operation. interesting. president obama and speaker boehner. nobody else. with 24 days before a year-end deadline, "the new york times" says boehner made the request to clear the negotiation room going forward, leaving it up to himself and the president to reach a deal to avoid automatic tax hikes and deep spending cuts. and while the two men may be negotiating privately, yesterday the president took his message to the public, visiting a local virginia family as a part of his my2k social media campaign, sitting around the kitchen table. he told the family he was optimistic. >> the message that i think we all want to send to members of congress is, this is a solvable problem. the senate has already passed a bill that would make sure the middle-class taxes don't go up next year by a single dime. just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for fam
of the fiscal cliff negotiations. their hope is that those will end with a deal between congress and the president and that will make way for a steady improvement in the economy. those are the things that they will monitor to see when is the time that they can ease back. >> sreenivasan: greg ip from the "economist," thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. >> sreenivasan: wall street initially rallied on the fed's pronouncement, but the enthusiasm quickly flagged and stocks gave up the gains. in the end, the dow jones industrial average lost three points to close at 13,245. the nasdaq fell eight points to close at 3,013. indianapolis will be the first major american city to replace all city-owned cars with electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles. the program announced today calls for completing the switch by 2025. the city also plans to phase in fire trucks and other heavy vehicles that run on compressed natural gas. officials said they're asking auto makers to create plug-in hybrid police cars, which don't yet exist. retiring u.s. senator joe lieberman said goodbye to the sen
dealing with hurricane sandy. we're dealing with the fiscal cliff. we do not have enough money for our own country. >> we need to understand that the fiscal cliff and the climate is not associated. the climate is not waiting for us. developed countries need to make some serious shifting of priorities and they need to allocate what is needed to solve the climate issue. >> anjali appadurai, to a student at the college of the atlantic. she addressed the durban u.n. climate summit. this year, has been allowed back in for the last week, to participate. when we come back, we have an analyst talking about the kocht opus. >> singfortheclimate.com. today at the doha summit, we went to a news conference were major climate negotiator from belgium and the european union sang the song as well. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. we are broadcasting from the 18th u.n. climate change summit. i'm amy goodman. the billionaire brothers charles and david koch are known for funneling vast amounts of money into republican campaigns. the u.s. is accused of blocking progress here
of the deal to head off -- to stop us from going off the fiscal cliff. they said by the way we need to raise the debt limit and this new proposal of eliminating congress from the process of raising the debt limit. >> senator mcconnell has offered to have an up or down vote on this and democrats haven't taken him up on it. all of the spending reductions that simon cited in the 1990s were tied to the debt limit increase. it gives republicans leverage. president obama has the leverage in the fiscal cliff fight. he's willing to let the tax go up on the middle class. on the debt increase he doesn't have the same leverage. bob woodward pointed out that tim geithner said to president obama if the republicans stick to their guns on the debt limit bill you cannot reto it. the consequences will be so clam to us that you cannot veto it. so obama would have capitulated. megyn: that's what simon is saying now. that we shouldn't put the country in that position. >> the only way we'll get action on this debt. we keep spending and spending and raising our debt by $6 trillion every obama term. that's what ca
on this fiscal cliff which has automatic tax hikes and spending cuts as of january one, they are trying to avert that. he says any deal on this must include an end to the debt ceiling all together. he wants complete power to raise the country's limit by himself. he doesn't want to have to get congressional approval. that is a demand stirring strong response from republicans today. >> the on way we ever cut spending is by using the debate over the debt limit to do it. now the president wants to remove that spur to cut all together. of course, it gets in the way of his spending plans. i can assure you it one happen. the american people want washington to get spending under control and the debt limit is the best tool we have to make the president take that demand seriously. the american people want us to fight to cut spending. it's a fight they deserve and a fight we are happy to have. >> joining me now, simon rosenberg. and mark theisen. guys, welcome. simon, let me start with you on this. we did have some democrats come on the show and say no, the president doesn't get to just decide when to rais
's the great unknown in all of this fiscal cliff fighting. some argue the country won't be badly damaged if the country hits the fiscal cliff. republicans and democrats keep arguing into the new year. others are worried failure to strike a deal could send the nation back into a recession. >> i think people understand the failure to compromise and going over the cliff could really jeopardize this recovery. the good news today about more people back at work, the unemployment rate coming down, listen, that can be reversed if people lose confidence in our future. >> the number two senate ranked democrat mr. temperature bib argues next week will be critical in terms of president obama and speaker boehner finding a compromise. shep? >> shepard: democrats are still saying what they have said all along and what the president ran on this is about taxes. >> that is true and they note president obama campaigned on upper income americans paying more so they intend to make sure that happens. the house democratic leader says the only obstacle is republicans refusing to ask the top 2% to pay more. >> t
that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow-walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> sreenivasan: the president has insisted there will be no deal unless republicans agree to raise tax rates on the top 2%. republicans say the tax hikes would only hurt job creation. but in arlington, virginia, vice president biden said today's jobs report shows the economy is turning a corner, so it's critical to get a deal. >> there is a sense... there is a sense that if we can reach an- - act like adults and reach an agreement here on the fiscal cliff, the upside is much higher even than the downside is if we don't. >> sreenivasan: biden said the president is willing to consider what he called any serious offer. aides for the two sides were expected to continue talking, through the weekend. wall street was mostly higher on the news from november's jobs report. the dow jones industrial average gained 81 points to close at 13,155. the nasdaq was hurt by another sell-off in apple stock, and fell 11 points to close at 2,978. for the week, the dow gained 1%. the nasdaq lost 1%. this
and congress can't make a deal on the so-called fiscal cliff. a source of great concern for so many people, everyone's taxes will go up, will go up if there's no deal. let's go live to our white house correspondent dan lothian. he's on the scene for us over at the white house. how did it go, dan? >> reporter: well, wolf, we've seen the president do this before in the past whenever he's locked in negotiations with lawmakers. he heads out on the road, either goes to a backyard or sits down around a dinner table to put pressure on congress. that's what he did today when he went to falls church sitting down with the santana family. their parents who also are employed live in the household with them. so if taxes do go up on middle class americans, the overall hit on that household will be $4,000. so they're very concerned, but they were quite happy. they said it isn't every day that the president comes by and hangs out at your house. the message the president was trying to drive home today was aimed directly at congress and using this backdrop to tell a personal story. >> for them to be burdene
on averting the fiscal cliff. negotiations are pretty much at a standstill, but if you ask house speaker john boehner, he has an idea of who's holding things up. >> there are a lot of things that are possible to put the revenue the president seeks on the table. but none of it's going to be impossible. the president insists on his position. insists on my way or the highway. >> in his weekly white house address this morning, president obama responded to boehner's remark. >> i'm willing to make more entitlement spending cuts on top of the one trillion dollars in spending cuts i signed into law last year. but if we're serious about reducing our deficit while still investing in things like education and research that are important to growing our economy, and if we're serious about protecting middle class families, then we're also going to have to ask the wealthiest americans to pay higher tax rates. that's one principle i won't compromise on. >>> holiday hiring may have given a big boost to the jobs report released yesterday. retail hirers hired more people than any month on record since 1939. 146
all from going right off that fiscal cliff. the president says he is optimistic that republicans will cut a deal to keep middle class taxes from going up 26 days from now. leaders in the g.o.p. say the president is forgetting about the other part of the deal. the spending cuts. let's get to ed henry live for us tonight. ed, what else did the president have to say today? >> well, shep, there is so much pessimism from the myan calendar and predictions i suppose to predictions congress can't get its act together and get this fiscal mess cleaned up. the president tried to have a different message. he is trying to say he is optimistic and thinks that when everyone has their say here over the next few days they are finally going to get a deal. take a listen. >> i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one and that is good for the american economy. >> now, the president expressing on michelle there. we are told as well that his
a deal to keep us from going off the fiscal cliff. the president says the latest republic offer is out of balance because it extends tax cuts on income of above $250,000. g.o.p. leaders claim they can raise revenue without raising rates by closing loopholes and limiting deductions. but the white house says it's about the rates. ed henry is at the white house tonight. the president claims the republic math does not add up. >> that's right, shep. he met with the nation's governors today. he said behind closed doors that there is a lot at stake not just for the national economy but state by state. some of their budgets could take a major hit if, in fact, the nation goes off the so-called fiscal cliff. his spokesman jay carney was even tougher in going after speaker john boehner's latest proposal in saying it simply doesn't add up. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> the bottom line is the president and speaker boehner have not spoken now in several days. so there is reall
religious freedom foundation. a fiscal cliff, an update, we're nowhere near a deal, but there may be a smidge of movement in the debate. if an agreement isn't reached in 26 days, we go over the cliff or some people describe it as a gentle slope but basically what happens, there are crippling tax hikes and sweeping spending cuts that will go into effect on the first of the new year. the president and the house speaker john boehner finally spoke yesterday by phone. they have both agreed to keep the details of the discussion under wraps. they're both standing firm on the tax hike, their positions on the tax hikes for the top 2%. listen. >> the revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. >> once republicans acknowledge that rates are going up for top earners, we believe that an agreement is very achievable. >> kate balduan is in washington, d.c., this morning. so that's kind of a depressing thing, when just the advent of a phone conversation between the two top dealmakers is the headline, isn't it? >> i could not agree with you more. the fact that
to hammer out a deal over tax hikes and spending cuts as the clock particulars towards that fiscal cliff deadline on january 11. mike emanuel is live. we are still getting hard lines from either side about where they stand on this. what is really happening behind the closed doors? are they closer to a dole? >> reporter: jenna you're right about a lot of tough talk in public, but behind closed doors we know the president, the speaker of the house john boehner had a phone call late yesterday, the first call they had in a week. there has not been much in the way of leaks as to what was discussed. most folks on capitol hill may suggest that no leaks means they are getting down to serious movement on finding a compromise to avert the fiscal cliff. because in public the treasury secretary was asked yesterday if the administration is prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. check this out. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. >> absolutely. we see no prospects for an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthist. remember it's only 2%.
-imposed fiscal cliff? >> you used one word in your remark. self. civillish will become the essence. the horrible part, they will think it's an advantage to them. president will think it's advantage to him and it will be chaos. $7.2 million floating around. between now and december 31. go too far. throw it in recession. do too little, throw it in recession. at some point, a group of people you and i have never heard of called the markets will step in and say you guys are jerks. dysfunctional. you can't move. you are insent. silly. stupid. but you love money because you owe $16 trillion of it. you borrow, overborrow what comes in and goes out. we want more money for our money. the gu screwed is the -- the guy screwed is the little guy. who is kidding who? >> i don't think a lot of people are dancing if that happens. but we enjoyed you, watching you. >> i didn't enjoy it. but it was fun. it hurt my knee. >> bret: senator simpson, thank you for coming in today. >> thank you, bret. >> so will simpson's appeal do any good? we talk about the fiscal cliff when the fox all-stars join me next. there is no
the fiscal cliff. mr. obama and house speaker john boehner took a step yesterday, speaking about the standoff on the phone. i guess at least they weren't texting, right? while the details of their chat remain private, both men continued to talk past each other in public. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%. >> there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more, more of their money to the federal government, without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. >> treasury secretary tim geithner also weighed in yesterday saying the president is willing to allow the nation to go over the cliff if republicans don't agree to raise taxes on the wealthy. >>> we are learning new details about colorado's shooting suspect james holmes now that thousands of e-mails in the case have been released. messages indicate holmes may have had a brief romantic relationship in the days before the tragedy. we have learned that in early june, holmes began specifically talking and fantasizing about killing a lot of people. his psychiatrist was so worri
% of some sort of deal would be reached to avoid the fiscal cliff and i know it's hard to read the tea leaves because in the meantime you have these offers that are not serious. it's like fiscal cliff bungee jumping. i believe the odds are good that there'll be some sort of deal made. >> let's get into the longer-term deal which i think almost everyone agrees, entitlement reform and tax reform is going to take place in 2013 and maybe 14. it's a long process but just in the short term, can the republicans, can enough republicans while a win say we don't like it but we will have to go along for now whether it's 39.6% rate in comeback with the promise next year of trying to lower it and broaden the base? >> i would much prefer we do the kind of reform that i laid out in a bill a few weeks ago, not inking this bill would become law but this bill would show a path forward with $4.5 trillion in savings. i think that, in the event that the house feels that when they see that the senate is obviously controlled by the democratic party and the democratic president, he basically have a president,
. this one danced to music performed by the u.s. navy band. >>> all the talk about the fiscal cliff may seem like a far off debate over politics in washington, but the reality is if lawmakers and the president don't cut a deal by the end of the month, every american will feel the effects. here is cnn's lisa sylvester. >> reporter: at this restaurant in arlington, virginia, plenty of food and drink. but there's something else cooking up, worry. co-owner jonathan williams concerned about the pending government fiscal cliff. >> there's a real simple correlation. people have jobs, they spend money. if people are worried about losing their jobs or don't have a job, then they're not going to go out that much. they're going to cook at home or stay at home. >> reporter: just a couple miles from the pentagon, many of the patrons here work directly or indirectly for the defense department and its contractors. the defense industry is facing $55 billion in discretionary spending cuts next year. unless congress acts to avert the so-called fiscal cliff. in addition, several key tax benefits are scheduled
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